Merry even links Frodo to Bilbo by saying, `I have often wondered what you and Bilbo were doing, so close in his little room,' Once the Fellowship (and Gollum) made it out of Moria, Aragorn finds time to tend Frodo and Sam's wounds, and discovers that valuable mail shirt. ![]() `There is more about you than meets the eye, as I said of him long ago.' Gollum was also probably quite close when, after Frodo had been pinned by the Orc's spear, Gandalf said to him, The name Bilbo would certainly have gotten Gollum's attention, and the value of the mail shirt was obvious. We know that Gollum was trapped inside of Moria when the Fellowship arrived, and that Frodo sensed his nearness - footsteps that continued after the party stopped walking, and those pale eyes glowing in the dark - so Gollum might have been close enough to hear Gandalf exclaiming over Bilbo's mithril shirt and how valuable it was. At any rate, it's only after this, when Gollum argues with himself, in the desolation around Mordor, that he refers to " this Baggins. It's also possible that he might have heard the name sometime between Moria and the Breaking I'll have to look further for that.īut it's likely that anyone wielding the swordof Baggins would be one. Of course, it's conceivable that Gollum assumed that since a "Baggins" had originally "stolen" his ring, anyone holding it would also be a "Baggins" there's no indication of that, however. Time for research!Įdit: OK, a little browsing has turned this up: When Gollum falls from the cliff in the Emyn Muil, Sam jumps him, but Gollum fights back, almost overcoming him, until Frodo comes to his aid: ![]() Could she have provided the same help had she come to Rivendell? I doubt it.But that, of course, doesn't answer the question of how he knew Frodowas a Baggins. So your route will have meant going south to Isengard, then north to Lothlorien, then back south. He will have been familiar with Galadriel and that she can help - and frankly, without her help, the quest will have failed. Third, as Galadriel mentions, it may be that Gandalf had intended to go to Lothlorien from the outset. So did he really believe he had an ally in Isengard? And even if he did, it was still the best for as few people to know about the Ring as possible. Second, I believe Gandalf had misgivings about Saruman long before latter openly revealed himself. And what better place to have it than Rivendell? And considering the stakes, a council was necessary. One Ring was a massive threat to the entirety of Middle Earth, and with Sauron back in Mordor, this was no longer the case of simply taking a stroll. I'm wondering if Gandalf had some kind of misgiving toward Saruman, even if he didn't state it or wasn't fully sure, or some premonition from Eru, that caused him not to send Frodo toward the south but instead northeast.įirst, they didn't decide anything yet. Other than having one of the three Elven Rings to protect it, it doesn't seem anything special that could be worth going out of the way for. I mean, other than going through Caradros or whatever that mountain's name is, or through Moria, there was no sensible other way (we can rule out the route Bilbo took in the Hobbit as not only was it possibly goblin-infested again, but that way was also blocked by Dol Guldor, unless they want to go all the way down from the Long Lake down that river and miles and miles down, possibly into Rhun and hostile territory, to the Ash Mountains, which would likely have taken too long, allowing Sauron to break through Gondor by then, not to mention, I think Mirkwood was still unsafe anyway and probably growing more so even than it was when Bilbo went through, unless he went way around, which would take even longer and also go too near goblin territory.), that the best route, seemingly, would be again to head near Isengard, which they could have done earlier anyway, as I mentioned, so going to Rivendale seemed out of the way in the long run. While I'm getting the impression that Gandalf would have left immediately with Frodo and not even bothered to go to Isengard if he'd had a strong enough inkling that the Nazgul were out already and looking for the Shire, I'm still thinking that Rivendale is an odd route. ![]() ![]() The much quicker route, and, it would seem, as far as Gandalf knew, safer route, would have been to go toward Longbottom and the Gap of Rohan and ultimately cross the Misty Mountains there, where, as far as Gandalf knew, at least he had allies present in Rohan and Isengard, and cross the Anduin from that way (basically where he crossed in the end of Fellowship anyway but instead going the opposite route that the company, sans Frodo and Sam, went in The Two Towers. I see that Gandalf recommended that he go to Rivendale, but that seems out of the way if he wants to ultimately go to Mordor.
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